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When Market Wizard Ed Seykota Speaks, I Listen!


ImagesI had the good fortune of hearing Ed Seykota speak at the International Federation of Technical Analysts in San Francisco a few weeks ago.  To say he’s extraordinary is an understatement.  I can’t even bring myself to quote his performance numbers at the risk you’ll question this writer’s personal credibility.  Suffice it to say, when you are invited to talk to a group of insiders such as the IFTA crowd, your credibility is beyond reproach. 

Ed is famous for a number of reasons beyond his envy-inducing stock market returns.  He was one of the first traders who pioneered a computerized trading system (now known as System Trading) back when mainframe computers required punch cards for instructions.  Considering his multiple MIT degrees, that in and of itself is not surprising.  But what I so admire Ed for is his gift as a  “simplifier”.  He manages to boil trading down to understandable basics.  In Jack Schwager’s book, Market Wizards, this is abundantly apparent as well. 

I have heard Ed Seykota speak on multiple occasions, and once again on this go-around he didn’t disappoint.  After playing his banjo and having us all sing the lyrics to his market lessons song, he candidly spoke about his experiences.  What follows are my takeaways from that talk.  I trust Ed’s wisdom will ring a bell with you as well.

  1. One good trend pays for them all.
  2. Accept just enough risk so you can sleep well at night.
  3. When prices break through your stops, pull the trigger and sell.
  4. News:  we stash that flash in the trash.  Ignore the “newsamentals”.
  5. Betting the right size matters bigtime.
  6. Most investors get stressed and need to stop the pain, so they use medicinal strategies instead of doing the right thing.
  7. You have to notice trends early.  If you wait and only participate in them when they’ve gone exponentially vertical, it’s too late.  Look for a fresh trend.
  8. Plow money back into your trading portfolio.  Don’t make a big profit and then run out to buy a new Porsche.
  9. When trend traders begin to lose interest, momentum starts to turn negative.
  10. There are no Holy Grails.  You just have to do the work, follow your disciplines and trends, and then cut your losses.  It’s that basic.
  11. Know where you’ll get out before you get in.
  12. I have no demons.  I’m a blessed man.
  13. Luck is just a fat tail or outlier on a normal distribution.  Luck happens.  If it happens to you, manage it with humility and use stops.
  14. The folks I mentor who wash out are those who just cannot control their feelings like I ask them to do.  They can’t accept their own emotional landscape.
  15. The trading adrenaline does diminish over time and with experience.  The objective is to rid yourself of it – totally.

Trade well; trade with discipline!
-- Gatis Roze

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Gatis Roze
About the authors: , CMT, holds an MBA from the Stanford Graduate School of Business and is a past president of the Technical Securities Analysts Association (TSAA). He is also the co-author of Tensile Trading: The 10 Essential Stages of Stock Market Mastery (Wiley, 2016). A full-time investor for over 25 years, Gatis has taught sold-out investment courses throughout the Pacific Northwest and beyond since 2000. Learn More

Grayson Roze
is the author of Trading for Dummies (Wiley, 2017) and Tensile Trading: The 10 Essential Stages of Stock Market Mastery (Wiley, 2016). He currently serves as Vice President of Operations at, and is also the co-founder of Stock Market Mastery. Grayson holds a bachelor's degree from Swarthmore College, where he studied Economics and Psychology. Learn More
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Thanks for sharing insights from Ed's presentation, Gatis. This is terrific stuff. My favorites are "one good trend pays for them all" and "when prices break through your stops, pull the trigger and sell".
Ron, I'm glad you grasped both the importance and simplicity of Eds wisdom. Thanks for your comments and your continuing interest in my blog.Gatis
I thought I heard Seykota remark in his panel appearance that we were on the verge of the mother of all bull markets. Did you hear that? I sent a query to him but his replay was to invite me to join his trading tribe. Unfortunately I already belong to the tribe of lone wolves. Charles Bassetti
Hey Charles, You and I heard the same thing. I checked my notes and indeed he did say that. He implied (or I inferred) that following that run, we would be in big trouble though. Hope you enjoyed the blog. Thanks for your comment and your interest in my blog. Cheers, Gatis Roze
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